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84hachi
08-25-2004, 05:25 PM
the famous yellow M3 or the new M5 with the V-10, who whould win?
JIMCJ1301
08-25-2004, 05:40 PM
Dado's M3?
I think Dado would stomp that thing. It might be a V-10, but its heavy.
AlterReign
08-25-2004, 05:45 PM
^^^^ man what the hell is going on with your sig? :lol:
I agree with Jim on that one. Even though I think that Dado even said that at first take off, his car dosen't accelerate fast enough because it has to much power to take off from just a stand still. But his car would definently win as the two cars accelerate.
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 06:37 PM
Uhm, I'm gonna go with the new M5 V10 isn't all that much better than the V8 of the E39 M5...
What kind of stupidity is a 500hp V10 which weighs a ton, and only makes 400ft-lbs of torque? Any fool can tune 100HP more than torque out of any engine... 500HP from a V10 isn't impressive either, Dodge has been doing it for 6 years... And that engine makes more power than the BMW engine does, and is likely far more reliable...
In the end, what I'm saying is: The new M5 is a POS, and Dado would spank it like a catholic school girl who offered to suck the teacher's cock.
JIMCJ1301
08-25-2004, 06:49 PM
LOL, You like my sig huh.. :lol:
Dado beat an R6... That's gotta put his car in a position that most arent.
KidSteve
08-25-2004, 06:55 PM
how fast is Dado's M3, like around 190mph?
M34ever
08-25-2004, 07:49 PM
Uhm, I'm gonna go with the new M5 V10 isn't all that much better than the V8 of the E39 M5...
What kind of stupidity is a 500hp V10 which weighs a ton, and only makes 400ft-lbs of torque? Any fool can tune 100HP more than torque out of any engine... 500HP from a V10 isn't impressive either, Dodge has been doing it for 6 years... And that engine makes more power than the BMW engine does, and is likely far more reliable...
In the end, what I'm saying is: The new M5 is a POS, and Dado would spank it like a catholic school girl who offered to suck the teacher's cock. oh man...i can go on forever about this post but i dont feel like starting a flame war. If you guys are talking about top speed the m5 might pull ahead, its been rumored to do 200. Acceleration the m3 will take it easy, although the m5 will be a very fast car dados m3 has more power and is lighter.
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 07:51 PM
how fast is Dado's M3, like around 190mph?
I'd say 207-209mphish...
Closer to 210 than 190 I'd imagine...
What's 6th gear on the Euro 6spd? Tell me that and I can tell you his top speed, and what he uses as a revlimiter... ;)
I imagine if he has the balls he could redline it in 6th gear if he found a stretch long enough, assuming he's like 3.73 gearing it'd only be about 205MPH...
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 07:53 PM
oh man...i can go on forever about this post but i dont feel like starting a flame war. If you guys are talking about top speed the m5 might pull ahead, its been rumored to do 200. Acceleration the m3 will take it easy, although the m5 will be a very fast car dados m3 has more power and is lighter.
It wouldn't be a flame war, the new BMW engines are less and less impressive compared to every other manufacturer every day, and that's a fact. The 300HP in the M3 is definetely nothing special, and the 500HP in the M5 is nothing special either... Especially for their price brackets...
If Dado had the boost turned up, he'd probably be able to out accelerate it all the way til his gonads hurt... And I have a funny feeling that it would happen a long time after the M5 hit it's speed limiter...
M34ever
08-25-2004, 08:01 PM
do you realize the m3 cleaned house with best engine of the year awards? The m3 engine has more torque per liter then any other production engine made. Its making 100hp per liter which is very rare. When mclaren wanted a engine for the mclaren f1 they contacted honda, bmw and ferrari because they were the only ones who could make good 100hp/l engines. When you take a 6.0l v8 and throw it into a chevy and make 400hp it isnt that hard. The previous m5 is a monster car, the new one lapped the nurburgring 22 seconds faster then it making it a lot better performance wise. The engines that the new m5 competes with are twin turbo v8's...and the m5 beats them with a NA v10. Thats just the tip of the iceberg, the mechanics and engineering in the engine and drivetrain are amazing, this car will definetly be something to talk about.
Vader13
08-25-2004, 08:05 PM
Dados car would cick its ass. power to weight wins in this case.
Top Speed maybe not.
Track, Dado's M3
jonnydinh
08-25-2004, 08:07 PM
Uhm, I'm gonna go with the new M5 V10 isn't all that much better than the V8 of the E39 M5...
What kind of stupidity is a 500hp V10 which weighs a ton, and only makes 400ft-lbs of torque? Any fool can tune 100HP more than torque out of any engine... 500HP from a V10 isn't impressive either, Dodge has been doing it for 6 years... And that engine makes more power than the BMW engine does, and is likely far more reliable...
In the end, what I'm saying is: The new M5 is a POS, and Dado would spank it like a catholic school girl who offered to suck the teacher's cock.
uhhhh........no? :squint:
M34ever
08-25-2004, 09:46 PM
Dados car would cick its ass. power to weight wins in this case.
Top Speed maybe not.
Track, Dado's M3thank you
uhhhh........no? :squint: and thank you, hahaha.
AlterReign
08-25-2004, 10:02 PM
What makes it so bad is that it's his first post. :rofl:
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 10:03 PM
do you realize the m3 cleaned house with best engine of the year awards? The m3 engine has more torque per liter then any other production engine made. Its making 100hp per liter which is very rare. When mclaren wanted a engine for the mclaren f1 they contacted honda, bmw and ferrari because they were the only ones who could make good 100hp/l engines. When you take a 6.0l v8 and throw it into a chevy and make 400hp it isnt that hard. The previous m5 is a monster car, the new one lapped the nurburgring 22 seconds faster then it making it a lot better performance wise. The engines that the new m5 competes with are twin turbo v8's...and the m5 beats them with a NA v10. Thats just the tip of the iceberg, the mechanics and engineering in the engine and drivetrain are amazing, this car will definetly be something to talk about.
I didn't say it wasn't a unique and interesting platform...
Production engine wise the M3's engine is amazing in terms of power for it's size, but in terms of RAW POWER, it's nothing special for a performance car. Have you sat in a new 5 series? The E39 is roomier in my opinion, the E60 feels like a honda civic in terms of interior room.
How about I take a 5.0l V8 and make it turn 750hp?
Stock for stock, the M5 is a good car. To me, I don't want to buy a stock performer unless it's a porsche, ferarri or aston. I'll take something and modify it... For the price, to me, it's not worth it. Then again, to me, for the price, none of the current BMWs are worth it.
For some reason, the Nissan 350Z makes 287 HP @ 6,200 rpm and 274 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm, and yet it only costs $45,000CDN.
Or, the Corvette... $67,395CDN 400 HP @ 6,000 rpm and 400 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm
M3 $73,950... 333HP @ 7,900 rpm and 262lb-ft @ 4,900 rpm...
Versus the new M5... 506 HP @ 7,750 rpm and 383 lb-ft @ 6,100 rpm for ONLY! $117,150CDN (and this is a guesstimate based on the Euro price, so probably tack another $10,000 onto it)
That's all I feel like going through...
M34ever
08-25-2004, 10:10 PM
you could have said that in your first post and thats very legit, but in your first post you attacked the performance of the car and said as an example chevy engines are better and thats what i was refering to.
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 10:17 PM
I mean, honestly, I didn't mean to bash the vehicle itself, I meant to bash the sticker price and the interior comfort of the thing...
When I went to the auto show, I sat in a new 5er and a new 6er, and guess what? I felt that the 3 series was more comfy...
But honestly, the new 6 series is $135,000... I'd rather own an SL600 or Sl55 AMG for that kind of coin, especially considering the comfort factor...
But for that kind of money, I would also rather own a Porsche 911 Turbo...
Or, buy a 95 M3 and build a car that would spank Dado's... And have enough money to buy an R32 Skyline and do it up (r34 not legal here :( ) aswell...
I agree with you that it's a good engine, and great advancement, but for the sticker price BMW can kiss my ass.
It might sit in the supercar territory right now, but that's only because it's a brand new model. As soon as something else new comes out, it will likely beat it. It currently beats the Corvette C5, the Z06 is another story I believe though... The C6 is supposed to be much faster than the C5, so we shall see.
Honestly, great car, lovely look, but for my money, it's not what I want. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't have a supercar look or feel to it, so why is it priced in the supercar range?
AlterReign
08-25-2004, 10:22 PM
With BMW its a status thing, they want to push the price up as high as they can so that the average joe can't ride in one.
For instance.........Me
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 10:25 PM
No offense, the BMW is no Mercedes/Ferarri/Porsche.
Even in Calgary, BMWs aren't looked at as high status vehicles unless it's brand new, yours, and you're 18, and you bought it youself.
I tell my friends I'm looking to buy a BMW, they say "How old" I said "95-98 M3" their response? "Oh..." Whereas, I mention I'm looking to import an R32 Skyline GTR, for way less than the 95 M3, and they say "dude, everyone will bow down to you"
Me007gold
08-25-2004, 10:37 PM
thats what i dont understand, thanks to movies like 2f2f the skyline is worshiped, while it is a good car, its not really all that. the same thing with the supra. ide take a 95 m3 over and r32 skyline ANY DAY
AlterReign
08-25-2004, 10:45 PM
Well down here in the states, if you push a BMW 95 or above, and you know how to hook it up, that's an automatic free kitty pass (female wise). The R32 is alright but see that's where we come to that cross culture thing again, In canada it might be cheap as hell to get one, in the US you're talking about a pretty penny. Some where around $80-105,000 to import to the US. For that price someone could go out and buy 2 NEW M3's.
MorningCruiser
08-25-2004, 11:48 PM
Well down here in the states, if you push a BMW 95 or above, and you know how to hook it up, that's an automatic free kitty pass (female wise). The R32 is alright but see that's where we come to that cross culture thing again, In canada it might be cheap as hell to get one, in the US you're talking about a pretty penny. Some where around $80-105,000 to import to the US. For that price someone could go out and buy 2 NEW M3's.
Maybe an R34...
An R32 is 1990 ;)
In Canada, we have a 15 year law, after 15 years, you can bring in any car you want... So the R32 just became legal in the last 3 months basically...
I can pick up a 1990 Skyline R32 GT-R for $15,000 with under 100,000KM on it... $16,000 shipped to my door...
the BMW is no Mercedes/Ferarri/Porsche.
Even in Calgary, BMWs aren't looked at as high status vehicles unless it's brand new, yours, and you're 18, and you bought it youself.
<------- You aren't making any friends here.
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:00 AM
Once again, To import that type of vehicle to the states, it will cost around $80-$105,000.00
Why you might ask, you have to get it to meet US specs, that also cost money. You can't just buy one and fly it in like you can where you live. We have a lot more laws down here than you do in Canada.
MorningCruiser
08-26-2004, 12:03 AM
Once again, To import that type of vehicle to the states, it will cost around $80-$105,000.00
Why you might ask, you have to get it to meet US specs, that also cost money. You can't just buy one and fly it in like you can where you live. We have a lot more laws down here than you do in Canada.
Our import laws go out the window at 15 years basically...
And Ryan, it's not my fault that BMWs aren't status cars here. It has nothing to do with me, it has to do with our culture. A mercedes is just another car here unless it's an S class or a Cl55...
The cheapest status symbol here is an Escalade or a 911...
A fucking R32 is not 80-100k to import.
MorningCruiser
08-26-2004, 12:05 AM
A fucking R32 is not 80-100k to import.
Was gonna say, considering the car itself is $10,000USD for one that's in mint condition... :wtf2:
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:08 AM
A fucking R32 is not 80-100k to import.
So where would you get yours smart ass? All the places i've checked out including Motorex have put a high price tag on them. Is there some place that I don't know of? Enlighten me.
http://www.motorex.net/skyline.html
Where are the 80-100k ones at? Maybe for an R34... MAYBE.
MorningCruiser
08-26-2004, 12:12 AM
http://www.motorex.net/skyline.html
Where are the 80-100k ones at? Maybe for an R34... MAYBE.
R34 would be about 80,000 by the time you got it here if an R33 is $50,000
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:14 AM
That's the listing price, now read the fine print about all that shiping fee. That bullshit along with that modification shit they claim is pushing the price up.
So 36k for the R32... still nowhere near 80-100k. I thought the cars they list were already in the US, those are just cars they can convert?
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:17 AM
Oh shit...... My bad....I thought wrong. I still would buy an M3 though. Plus those R32's look like shit.
MorningCruiser
08-26-2004, 12:18 AM
You don't have to do a LHD conversion, they're street legal the way they are...
I can import you an R32 in Canada, and then drive it over the border and you can register it...
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:19 AM
I appreciate the thought but i'm good homeboy. Good looking out.
MorningCruiser
08-26-2004, 12:22 AM
I wasn't offering, :rofl: I was saying, but yeah, if someone wants I could do it...
I'll take one Tristan, send one my way.
chunky
08-26-2004, 12:25 AM
i think i would take the R32 over a M3 for a couple of reasons, 1) they are more rare, i have never in my live seen a skyline in person, i see 3 or 4 M3's a month 2) i am a huge nissan fan, not that i don't like bimmers, but i LOVE nissans. 3) i am not 100% sure about this, but i think the Nissan would cost less to modify then the BMW, usally the cost to mods fits the price of the car.
from the looks of that motorex link it seems like you could prolly get a R32 GT-R for around 30K, that is close to the price of a Evo/STI and would be hella lot more fun IMO.
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:28 AM
i think i would take the R32 over a M3 for a couple of reasons, 1) they are more rare, i have never in my live seen a skyline in person, i see 3 or 4 M3's a month 2) i am a huge nissan fan, not that i don't like bimmers, but i LOVE nissans. 3) i am not 100% sure about this, but i think the Nissan would cost less to modify then the BMW, usally the cost to mods fits the price of the car.
from the looks of that motorex link it seems like you could prolly get a R32 GT-R for around 30K, that is close to the price of a Evo/STI and would be hella lot more fun IMO.
I love nissan also, but I was talking about a R32 compared to a M3. Now if we were talking an R34 compared to an M3, oh no question, I would go with the R34 all day, if the price was resonable. All i'm saying is for the price, which one has the most quality?
I personally would take an R32 over an R33.
R34 over any of them.
chunky
08-26-2004, 12:35 AM
same here, and the R35 at the very end, that thing if fugly
Anyone ever seen the video of the Veilside R32 going from a compleat stop to 183 in 13 seconds? it is crazy as fuk
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:38 AM
same here, and the R35 at the very end, that thing if fugly
That thing is ugly. I hate the fact that nissan won't grow any damn balls and put the skyline in the US with the original design. That sedan shit needs to be discontinued.
chunky
08-26-2004, 12:48 AM
i hear ya there. there is a way to kinda make a skyline in the us, i think you have to do the following but i might be wrong because i read about it along time ago.
take a 2 door G35 (cuz the 2dr is lighter) and swap in the AWD from the 4dr ( i don't think you can buy a AWD 2dr) then put in a twin turbo kit (greddy) and it is about as close as you can get without importing one. then have the motor tuned to get every hp you can out of it to make up for the stupid US emishion(sp?) laws.
that would in thery make it the skyline GT-R (Twin Turbo AWD)
that makes me think, i wounder how hard would it be to drop the RB26DETT into a G35 or 350Z.
AlterReign
08-26-2004, 12:49 AM
Word is that you can do that next year in the G35.
chunky
08-26-2004, 12:58 AM
do what, drop in a RB26DETT or the AWD swap and twin turbo kit?
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:03 AM
Theres a nismo factoy supercharger thats coming out for the G's. Factory installed W/ Warrenty. Guess who's gonna get one? Lol
Theres a nismo factoy supercharger thats coming out for the G's. Factory installed W/ Warrenty. Guess who's gonna get one? Lol
Is it a celebrity?
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:05 AM
The 350Z, modified with Nismo performance parts, has an exhaust system that increases horsepower to 295 and torque to 280 pounds-feet.
LAS VEGAS -- One year after revealing plans to expand its performance-parts operation called Nismo, Nissan North America showed a 350Z heavily modified with Nismo parts.
The car features an exhaust system that increases horsepower to 295 and torque to 280 pounds-feet. The 350Z also has a high-performance air filter and oil cooler, lightweight flywheel, limited-slip differential and racing clutch. The suspension has improved coil springs, shocks and sway bars. An aero kit is included.
But Ron Stukenberg, Nissan senior manager of motorsports marketing and operations, said Nissan is not expecting to sell Nismo trim-level vehicles soon - although that eventually may happen. Rather, the Nismo 350Z merely serves as an example of what a creative parts department customer can produce. Dealers will install factory-backed Nismo parts, but Stukenberg expects a good number of over-the-counter transactions as well.
"This will not be a smattering of parts. Nismo will cover everything someone can use on the streets, as well as off-highway," Stukenberg said. "We have been selling Nismo parts for off-highway use for years. Now we are expanding."
By off-highway, Stukenberg does not mean off-road. Rather, if a part is too high-spec to be street-legal because of emissions or safety requirements, Nismo will sell those parts for racing use only.
Nismo is a truncation of Nissan Motorsports.
"We're dealing with true performance stuff, not just color and trim packages. This is how you enhance the brand," Stukenberg said.
For the first year or so, Nissan will concentrate on establishing Nismo for the Nissan brand. Infiniti will get Nismo parts only for the G35 sedan and coupe, then must wait to get more "R Spec" parts, Stukenberg said.
The Nismo parts will carry the factory warranty. If installed by a dealer, the part will be covered as long as the vehicle is in warranty. If installed by a customer, the part will have a one-year, 12,000-mile warranty.
Stukenberg said Nissan can stand behind those parts because they are proven Japanese domestic market parts, rather than newly conscripted pieces from a new supplier source.
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chunky
08-26-2004, 01:09 AM
when was that, don't they have the "s-tune" and "r-tune" packages out already. do you know how much power the GReddy twin turbo kit takes the G35 to?
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:11 AM
More- http://www.performancenissanparts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=171_254&osCsid=69964716d1d8a57184699fca99e66801
and http://infinitipa.zoovy.com/category/engineupgrades
Me WANT! http://www.stillen.com/news_select.asp?id=59
chunky
08-26-2004, 01:17 AM
damn, that is pricey!!!, you gunna do the stage 2 intercolled one, or the other one
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:18 AM
damn, that is pricey!!!, you gunna do the stage 2 intercolled one, or the other one
What ever they give me Playa!
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:23 AM
damn, that is pricey!!!, you gunna do the stage 2 intercolled one, or the other one
This is the one. Up to 410 Hp at the crank! 5G's for that is cheap.
http://www.stillen.com/Sportscars_detail.asp?cat=2&subcat=280&Brand=&id=43142&page=1
Oh man I'm going for the new carbon hood with the scoop!
chunky
08-26-2004, 01:23 AM
so does that mean your going to have one of these hoods too?
http://static.zoovy.com/img/infinitipa/-/103606cp_f
it says you have to have it for the supercharger to fit.
Wow, that is cheap... comparably speaking...
Cut a hole for the charger lol that hood is naastay
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:26 AM
Wow, that is cheap... comparably speaking...
Cut a hole for the charger lol that hood is naastay
The Carbon one is cool!
chunky
08-26-2004, 01:27 AM
is it the same style hood? got a pic of the one your going to get when you get the SC
Notor1usHoez
08-26-2004, 01:28 AM
Theres a nismo factoy supercharger thats coming out for the G's. Factory installed W/ Warrenty. Guess who's gonna get one? Lol
dont believe shit nissan tells you, they told my buddy they would warranty the nismo supercharger and then when he asked a service tech a year later he said any mods like that void the warranty
Piece of shit
08-26-2004, 01:40 AM
dont believe shit nissan tells you, they told my buddy they would warranty the nismo supercharger and then when he asked a service tech a year later he said any mods like that void the warranty
Yea... But I'm going to stillen now anway... My cars so modded the Infiniti tecks won't even put it on the racks because they say it's a safty issue...
chunky
08-26-2004, 01:43 AM
hopefully one of these will be in my future:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/493000-493999/493061_3_full.jpg
http://www.turbosaturns.net/images/achive/big/16.gif
hopefully one of this will be in my future-
http://home.att.net/~arendtj/sm_backfuturecar02.jpg
MorningCruiser
08-26-2004, 03:26 AM
I'll take one Tristan, send one my way.
I meant, you buy, I get you one cheaper than in the USA...
I'm not giving out free cars.
chunky
08-26-2004, 10:58 AM
your such a tease!!!
Sorry guys this whole past weekend I was hanging out with my 2 friends who own JDMSupercars and I would trade my M3 for a Skyline any day. Those cars are badass. The slowest Skyline we had was pushing 540hp. All day long on our way to NY. We were spanking everytype of car imaginable. And there were a couple M3's. I will post this story soon with pictures.
chunky
08-26-2004, 12:50 PM
lucky bastard!!, i want a skyline so bad. i know i would kill myself in like an hour, but it would be fun for that hour.
1YellowSpecV
08-26-2004, 01:52 PM
Yea... But I'm going to stillen now anway... My cars so modded the Infiniti tecks won't even put it on the racks because they say it's a safty issue...
Stillen is great! I deal with them all the time, very good products. Customer service isn't the great though... but I've seen worse. I've spent over 1G with them... so I like them.
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