CHOOSE: RX-7 vs. SUPRA

[theAnomaly]

Which would you choose: 3rd Gen ('93) RX-7 TT or a MKIV Supra N/A with the possibility of throwing a single turbo kit in? Comments appreciated.

[shyde001]

See my response to the original thread.


http://www.teckademicseast.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312

[skidplate]

I would get the RX-7. It maybe harder to tune but I think it would be worth it.

[Shivee]

Think Id go for the supra. Im no car expert and havent seen much of these irl so its mostly from what Ive seen in videos.

[ProMSL]

dude, you asked this already!

[Ryan]

SUPRA.....

[Zor]

nothing beat's 11k redline rotary

[Me007gold]

nothing beat's 11k redline rotary

couldnt have said it better my self, the japvillage rx-7 is insane

[james]

couldnt have said it better my self, the japvillage rx-7 is insane
werd i was crying when i saw that heh

so my answer....RX-7.

I almost bought one, but then my dad talked me out of it. That would have been quite the jump from an 1990 Honda Accord to a 1995 RX-7 too bad it's not happening :icon_cry:

[FlyingOct]

couldnt have said it better my self, the japvillage rx-7 is insane


Too bad its probably ungodly expensive. Go for an N/A Supra, then slap a kit on there. It'll make more power than the stock TT. I think.

[JD]

Too bad its probably ungodly expensive. Go for an N/A Supra, then slap a kit on there. It'll make more power than the stock TT. I think.


^^dito

[slimBoost]

well na supra with single turbo kit ends up costing around 20k

rx7 with fresh engine, mods, etc. can cost from 10-15k or 15-20k for a completely insane car like this: http://www.markkoch.net/ad.htm [he lowered his asking price to 20k on the rx7 forums]

Yeah supra has a bulletproof engine and all - but if you go out with 20k youll come back with a stock supra and a single turbo kit making around 350whp (and then you have to pay for installation etc. which ends up going over 20k) - an rx7 for around 15k with a new engine, bpu, kit, + interior stuff still leaves you with plenty of money for a nice dd car and extra to spend on whatever you want.

[l3it3r]

rx-7, it's gorgeous.

[84hachi]

i like the rx7, rotarties fasinate me.

[FlyingOct]

Half the fun of having a nice car is "tuning" it yourself... Buying an already modified vehicle is kindof a cheap way out. FCs and FDs are very attractive machines, perfect balance, and the engines are reliable WHEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED. I was seriously interested in an FC a while back but backed away when I talked with the local dealership's mechanics. They had no clue about blown rotor, apex seals, etc... If there is a specialty rotory shop in your area with a good rep, go for the RX.

If not, Supras look super beefy from every angle.

[1YellowSpecV]

Both are great cars. We aware with the problems they have before you buy. You should visit forums and do some research. I know that the wankle engines have some overheating problems, and are costly when repair is needed.
You can get a nice single turbo kit for the NA MK4 Supra for $4,069.00 at www.Suprastore.com
I would probably go with a single turbo Supra before the RX7 because of reliability issues. Before you start heavy modding make sure you buy a metal head gasket.

Good luck.

[slimBoost]

Suprastore.com is one of the worst places to buy supra stuff from they have a horrible rep - I've been talking with a member of newtiburon.com who has a 95 SE Supra that was converted to single turbo and he told me to stay away from suprastore.com

http://www.powerhouseracing.com/suprana_turbo.shtml

:| The best turbo kit they offer runs 8,000+


I'm trying to look at both options but I honestly think I would have more fun if I got an rx7 and spent money on all different aspects of the car rather then buying a supra and just getting a nice engine

that is what a real turbo kit for the na will cost.

[1YellowSpecV]

To each his own. I have never had any problems with Suprastore... ever. My friend owns 5 Supra's and he has never had a problem with them either. Well whatever, I know the turbo kit on that site is a nice one, because my friend has it on his.

[shyde001]

I got my Motec PLM from them. Tried to get a second harness and cig adapter for mobility and had to hunt the sales person down just to place an order. Not very customer service driven.

[slimBoost]

thats wierd - but all I know about supras is what I've been told and what I've read - and I was advised to avoid that store.

I do agree with the comment that half the fun of owning a car is doing the tuning yourself but it's a little different with the rx7 since it needs a lot of mods just to run safely. Which have to be done right away in the first place. yeah I know it definetly says a lot when a car needs to be modded to run reliably but if the end result is that it runs fine Ive got no problem with it.

[shyde001]

Two things to do out of the box with the RX7 is fuel system and engine management. After that everything else is a relative a breeze.

[1YellowSpecV]

How about cooling system?

[FlyingOct]

Rotary's EGTs are just hotter than "normal" engines. Add turbo to the mix and things can get way out of hand... And did. Isn't that why Mazda stopped selling RX-7s, because they were losing so much money from warranteed parts and stuff?

I suppose if all mods done were just preventative maintenance, it'd be cool with me, as long as the price was right. I'd still rather have a Supra. After all, I'm not a racer, I'm a driver... 50/50 weight doesn't matter all that much driving to work.

[84hachi]

after reading everyones thing, im still going with the rx7 :P

[1YellowSpecV]

At that heat, things break a lot.

[1YellowSpecV]

after reading everyones thing, im still going with the rx7 :P
Well fuck you too!!! :D

[DN41387]

id probably go with an rx7 even though they have more maintenance issues. I dont know about everywhere else but supra's are becoming way too common in my neck of the woods.
(haha when will this smiley ever come into use ? --> :MD: )

[slimBoost]

woot for rx7s :)

[Zor]

well there's nothing better than screaming out to the car next to you 10,000 and CLIMBING BITCH!

[84hachi]

i have a neighbor who is selling his supra for 40,000 bucks, if i had the money id get it, but i dont, and when i said id go with a rx7, im going with the one from the early eighties, and i do like supras but not the one your talking about, i like this kind http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/images.jtmpl?car_id=166416308&dealer_id=&cardist=17&&make=TOYOTA&address=21286&search_type=used&model=SUPRA&max_price=&min_price=&start_year=1984&end_year=2005&car_year=1987&distance=25&advcd_on=n&advanced=n&color=&first_record=1&#main

[Me007gold]

i have a neighbor who is selling his supra for 40,000 bucks, if i had the money id get it, but i dont, and when i said id go with a rx7, im going with the one from the early eighties

uhhhhh why??

[84hachi]

i dont know, if i knew id tell ya

[1YellowSpecV]

So you like the MK3 Supra? I love them! But whatever you do, don't buy that Supra pictured in that link.

[84hachi]

y? they have others, http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/results.jtmpl?model=SUPRA&start_year=1984&end_year=2005&min_price=&max_price=&distance=25&advanced=y&advcd_on=n&make=TOYOTA&address=21286&search_type=used&x=44&y=12 the whole list, my neighbor isnt on it hes a nut, lol

[Me007gold]

not the supra, why an early 80's rx-7?

[84hachi]

i really wish i knew, i think cause its old, has nice lines, small. i really dont know. i like all rx7's but i like the early 80's ones more, maybe one day il found out the real reason, like this one http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=167252633&dealer_id=&car_year=1984&make=MAZDA&distance=25&max_price=&model=RX7&end_year=2005&advcd_on=n&min_price=&address=21286&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1984&color=&cardist=25

[slimBoost]

yeah.... um.... I dont like those years at all...

[84hachi]

everyone is intitled to their own opinion

[FlyingOct]

SA RX-7s are very stylish, supposedly very close to Porsche 944 design. The thing that sucks is that they are old and its hard to find a decently-priced one thats not a rustbucket. Plus the 12A is pretty weak by todays standards.

Would a 13B-T swap in easily?

[1YellowSpecV]

y? they have others, http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/results.jtmpl?model=SUPRA&start_year=1984&end_year=2005&min_price=&max_price=&distance=25&advanced=y&advcd_on=n&make=TOYOTA&address=21286&search_type=used&x=44&y=12 the whole list, my neighbor isnt on it hes a nut, lol
That 87 blue one for 8K is a total rip thats why. There is no way I would ever pay more than 4K(And for 4K it better be cherry) for a MK3, unless it was moded out.

[slimBoost]

well an older rx7 or supra isnt even in this question - I'm still undecided on what car should be next although im having a strong leaning towards the rx7. Even tho im still searching "toyota supra" on ebay...

So what do we have for the 7?
1) less expensive
2) more stylish (opinions)
3) better track performance (50/50 weight, about 600 lbs less then supra)

but drwabacks are on reliability - which is a very big drawback
anyone have something else to add?

[84hachi]

u want me to talk to my neighbor, i think i could talk him down, ill get a list of mods for ya.

[slimBoost]

yeah talk him down from 40,000 to 20,000 and we'll see lol

[FlyingOct]

I don't think I would pay more than $15000 for an RX7, unless it was a cherry R1 or something of that sort.

[slimBoost]

15,000 seems to be about the average for a good decently modded one with a fresh rebuild or new engine. I've seen a couple for more but they seem to be outright trailer queens and show cars. I've also seen ones for a lot less but most of those have salvage titles and aren't really that appealing looking.

[84hachi]

i can see y john (my neighbor) is selling his for so high. it barley hit 50k miles. i looks like a regular supra except u can see the intercooler in the front. im still negotiating, i just wanted to give u an update

[slimBoost]

I dont see how you can talk him from 40k down to 20k but whatever - if you can sweet.

[maverick]

I have a Cannonball supra for sale in the UK for 13,000 pounds a single turbo monster with full veilside body kit 10x18 alloys brembo brake kit noz and the list is endless
shipping to the states is about $1000 bucks this car needs a little paint but is a good 500 BHP email tim@cannonballruneurope.co.uk

[maverick]

Also RX7 VS Supra
I built the japvilage rex and vanishing point supra NO contest supra every time
However watch out for the cannonball skyline touring the states mid october 207MPH out runs most things .

[1YellowSpecV]

Watch out for Dado's M3, it out runs everything :)

[84hachi]

i have cut 10 grand so far, yay. as i said before the guy is nutz and desprete for money

[slimBoost]

I have a Cannonball supra for sale in the UK for 13,000 pounds a single turbo monster with full veilside body kit 10x18 alloys brembo brake kit noz and the list is endless
shipping to the states is about $1000 bucks this car needs a little paint but is a good 500 BHP email tim@cannonballruneurope.co.uk

13,000 pouds is like 24,000 usd - which is over my budget

[Zor]

SA RX-7s are very stylish, supposedly very close to Porsche 944 design. The thing that sucks is that they are old and its hard to find a decently-priced one thats not a rustbucket. Plus the 12A is pretty weak by todays standards.

Would a 13B-T swap in easily?


yes it fits with no problem

[slimBoost]

I never understood what the engine codes were for the rotaries - could someone explain them to me?

[FlyingOct]

12A: 1979-1985 SA22 RX-7 engine, also used in RX-3s I think.2 wankel, 1146cc, carbed

13B: FC3S RX-7 2-wankel engine, 1308cc, carbed or FI

13B-T: FC3S RX-7 Turbo II

13B-REW: FD3S engine, 2-wankel 1308cc, FI, sequential twin-turbos


others:
13B-RE and 20B 3-rotor used in Mazda Cosmos
??? 4-rotor used in 787B LeMans racecar

[slimBoost]

is the 3 rotor a lot stronger then the 13b-rew ? I read a lot about 3-rotor swaps after engine failures so I guess they are better right?

[FlyingOct]

Well, its got 1 extra rotor, so more hp and torque is a given. No replacement for displacement, I guess. The turbo 20Bs are insane... as reference see the japvillage.com RX-7 w/ 20B. That thing is a complete and utter beast of a machine.

[slimBoost]

yeah it would make sense 3 > 2

Interesting stuff this world of rotary

[Zor]

20bTT rotary motor can go up to 1100hp makes you drool alittle bit since the red line on it is 15,000 rpms:bj:

[slimBoost]

15k rpm redline?????? Sounds like a friggen nascar

[Zor]

rotarys are the shit at rpms
that 787 la mans car had a 18,000 rpm redline at one point and it never droped below 12k

[slimBoost]

that makes me hot just thinking about it.... me likey :)

The rotary I test drove had a redline at 9k rpm though (or so the guy said) is that what the redline is on most fd3s?

[FlyingOct]

You can make any car redline at 18000 with the proper parts. The question would be if the engine is making power up thurr. I guess rotaries continue making power because of their design? But the turbos must have huge lag at low (normal) RPMs. I can only imagine the EGTs on the 787B after a stint.

[slimBoost]

arghh - I dont know why I do this to myself but I took a visit to supraforum.com to read about that and of course there are posts supra vs. fd there and all they talk about is engine blewn engine blewn engine blewn and it makes me so fucking nervous every time I see that.... really makes me question wether or not the rx7 is the right car.
I mean it won't be a daily driver - but it definetly will be at least a weekend driver if not an every other day driver. And I don't see myself driving it too easy 24/7


I hate it when you get everything all figured out and then question everything all over again

[1YellowSpecV]

Get a Supra, you will like it. Have you ever driven one?

[slimBoost]

nope

[1YellowSpecV]

Drive one.

[slimBoost]

I might be able to some time next week... the only supras that I can afford though are N/A's and the way my current car sale is going it doesnt look like ill be able to afford a single turbo install on it either