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dkbmxer002

11-28-2005, 02:20 AM

while at the track this week i got to run a 05 viper. it was a beautiful car, we got to run twice. first time he spun too much. second time he still spun but did alot better. he went 12.7 at 110+ something. and i went 11.8 at 119.

it was fun and a friend got it on tape

Hawk037

11-28-2005, 09:20 AM

it probably would of been a much better race if the guy in the viper knew what he was doing...nice kill though

dkbmxer002

11-28-2005, 02:29 PM

yea i know. i was hoping for a close race. i know the cars are capable of alot more. he was a nice guy tho. he was a friend of a friend.

s10mafia50

11-30-2005, 01:50 AM

sounds cool, gl with using all that nawzz tho, some thing just don't hold up
Andrew

dkbmxer002

11-30-2005, 01:54 AM

sounds cool, gl with using all that nawzz tho, some thing just don't hold up
Andrew

dont worry i know what i am doing.

s10mafia50

12-01-2005, 08:26 PM

dont worry i know what i am doing.
LOL, I thought I did too.....I wonder why my clutch slips now.....lmao
Andrew

llegos

12-01-2005, 11:16 PM

nice, but you should have been smoked. i think a viper with 500ish HP should smoke you even on the spray....

Fallout

12-01-2005, 11:35 PM

^^^Yeah, he should have womped on you pretty bad.

Force Fed Mopar

12-02-2005, 12:10 AM

Nice kill. Maybe the dude in the Viper will get some practice at hooking that monster up before y'alls next run and give you a good race. Nice Camaro BTW, how much you spraying it with?

dkbmxer002

12-02-2005, 08:48 PM

a 125 shot,

he deffinatly shouldnt have beat me, but it should have been close. most the 04/05 vipers i have seen run high 11's with a good driver. i am running 11. 7 and capable of 11.5 so..... dont see how he should killed me? but i agree it shoulda been alot closer.

llegos

12-02-2005, 08:59 PM

dkbmxer002

12-02-2005, 09:03 PM

i would think that with 460+dyno HP in a relativly light/aerodynamic car with a decent driver would be able to get mid to low 11's, unless vipers have become pigs in recent years. I also dont know about the gearing on those things....

i dunno but every one of them i have ever seen run ran between high 11's and mid 12's like this guy. motor trend put them at like 11.8 or something? so :dunno: i just dont see how he shoulda walked me when i run the same as them

llegos

12-02-2005, 09:08 PM

dkbmxer002

12-02-2005, 09:21 PM

hey im not sayin ur car is a slouch. i just didnt think that with some cutouts an airlid and some nawz that you would be at that high of HP. In no way im i saying that your bsing, im just surprised that the viper does so poorly in the 1/4, in general. I would just expect mid 11's from a car like that. thats all

yea thats what i would think as well. but they are still pretty impressive imo. but not gonna be able to cut it against the c6 z06 :D

also i dont run with open cut outs. if i spray with the cut outs open it shoots a flame about 15 feet. that = not good lol. i should be right around 400-420 hp

llegos

12-02-2005, 11:06 PM

ok well it says that your car weighs about 3300 ish pounds, and a new viper(convertable) weighs around 3400. Since you have about 400-410 dyno HP(i would guess), and the new viper has like 468 on the wheel dyno, fatter rear tires(i dont know what you run), and i would think a better suspension for dragging, and isnt really any less aerodynamic. Because of these conditions, i would think the viper would win. but this doesnt factor in gearing and torque curves. If you really wanna haul ass in the 1/4, i would invest in a set of 4:10's. what RPM do you run at your top speed for the 1/4?

Red97GST

12-02-2005, 11:35 PM

If he ran a 11.7, then I don't see a stock Viper "smoking" him or anything. It would be close... not a killing. No way.

510

12-03-2005, 12:12 AM

lets see the video to stopp the whole debate..............(theres a viper in Eureka running on the bottle.......the guy runs it every thursday and he runs it hard like a sports car should be run........the only thing that came close to keeping up was a turbo civic hatchback on nitrous............It's pretty fun to watch him go......)

llegos

12-03-2005, 01:45 AM

what did he run, james?

dkbmxer002

12-03-2005, 02:10 AM

i will put the video up, but there is no point for arguement, i beat him easily. by almost second he went 12.7 i went 11.8 against him. magazine racing is retarded because every car is differant.

510

12-03-2005, 02:21 AM

what did he run, james?
I don't know they don run the lights at the street legal drags............kinda weak...........

llegos

12-03-2005, 02:25 AM

i will put the video up, but there is no point for arguement, i beat him easily. by almost second he went 12.7 i went 11.8 against him. magazine racing is retarded because every car is differant.

im not saying ur bullshitting, im just saying in general that it sounds kind of weak that a car with more power, similar weight, similar if not better suspension, not any less aero dynamic, runs that slow in the 1/4. im not doubting you beat him by a second, but if this holds true, i must say that im very unimpressed with the vipers

dkbmxer002

12-03-2005, 02:30 AM

im not saying ur bullshitting, im just saying in general that it sounds kind of weak that a car with more power, similar weight, similar if not better suspension, not any less aero dynamic, runs that slow in the 1/4. im not doubting you beat him by a second, but if this holds true, i must say that im very unimpressed with the vipers

well the reason he ran only a 12ish in the 1/4 is cause he just got the car and doesnt know how to drive. but yea i know they mph quite more than me but dont run better e/t's, probably because of the traction issues

llegos

12-03-2005, 02:31 AM

yea. i read that the viper venom 1000 has troubles in the 4-5 shift at 150MPH cuz if u pop the clutch too fast and give it too much gas, you can fishtail it. thats an assload of power....

510

12-03-2005, 02:46 AM

yea. i read that the viper venom 1000 has troubles in the 4-5 shift at 150MPH cuz if u pop the clutch too fast and give it too much gas, you can fishtail it. thats an assload of power....
thats how I want to die............spin the tires is a 4th-5th up-shift and roll a few times.................

Anthony C

12-03-2005, 03:25 AM

lol howd i know this was gonna be one of your threads??

wanna amuse us all??? go to an airport and use your 125 shot and race a leer jet or something lol

510

12-03-2005, 03:35 AM

but there is no point for arguement, i beat him easily. by almost second he went 12.7 i went 11.8 against him.
thats great now prove it by putting up the video...................

dkbmxer002

12-03-2005, 07:23 AM

http://videos.streetfire.net/player.aspx?fileid=BAC4CC10-75FA-407B-B1E2-713665C8BB17

the camera work is kinda eh, but i wasnt video taping it and it wasnt my camera, my friend send it to me. but yeah its both runs of us

dkbmxer002

12-03-2005, 07:24 AM

lol howd i know this was gonna be one of your threads??

wanna amuse us all??? go to an airport and use your 125 shot and race a leer jet or something lol

wanna amuse us all??? drive your car off a cliff and video tape it

llegos

12-03-2005, 11:55 AM

haha, this thread is getttin good. I also noticed that the viper spun its tires through 3rd. and you launched early the 1st time. Also, tell your friend with the cam to zoom in on the times after you are done...

510

12-03-2005, 02:17 PM

That video looked like how it looks when you look at christmas lights and squint for a while.............and then shake your head side to side really hard........................

Anthony C

12-03-2005, 03:23 PM

wanna amuse us all??? drive your car off a cliff and video tape it

ok i wasnt being a dick i was joking around... i think it would be quiet funny to see you race something like that haha

i was driving along a side of an airport with a few buddies in their evos and a leer jet was taking off and that evo i did the shoot for dropped it down in 2nd and started to run along the run with it.. we couldnt stop laughing...

so you need lighten up... i beleive you got a viper... there not the fastest cars out there...

s10mafia50

12-03-2005, 04:01 PM

Viper do weigh alot too, plus nitrous is like running forced induction. You take any car to the strip tha made 500hp n/a and put it up with a poweradded 500hp car, the n/a is gonna lose. That is just how it works, anyways, you car is an automatic? That kinda sucks, you could have beat him by more if you had the 6speed.
Andrew

dkbmxer002

12-03-2005, 04:48 PM

the first run the viper ran like a low or mid 13 it spun like a bitch. the second run wa alot better. but yeah my friend isnt the best camera man in the world. i will post up some more videos from that weekend.

s10 why do you say that? if i had a 6 speed i probably wouldnt get nearly as good of a launch which could make my times slower, but i will trap higher with a 6 speed, so i dont know how you say if i had a 6 speed i would have beat him more. each tranny has its ups and downs :dunno:

llegos

12-03-2005, 05:36 PM

auto=better for racing untill the point where an auto tranny will blow from too much power...

dkbmxer002

12-03-2005, 08:28 PM

auto=better for racing untill the point where an auto tranny will blow from too much power...

you should tell that to all the 8-9 second cars running power glides. and the 9 second supra's running auto's and all the pro dragsters.

slimBoost

12-03-2005, 10:15 PM

wheeeeeeee

llegos

12-03-2005, 10:21 PM

you should tell that to all the 8-9 second cars running power glides. and the 9 second supra's running auto's and all the pro dragsters.

last time a checked, top fuel and funny cars still ran manual trannies

s10mafia50

12-04-2005, 02:25 AM

I say that it would take more skill, but the 6speed would be a little quicker. Especially if you master the launch on it, I also say it would be better due to torquing the at at the light, I see them all the time red lighting. Anyways, I hate automatics....period!!!! I see them as draining too much power(even tho they can hold more), and I prefer to drift rather than drag. The powerglide is an exception to the AT rule, they are just plain nuts. I doubt you could trap much higher with the 6 speed, but you know f-bodies better than I do, I would still get a manual though, If automakers ever do away with the manual, I shall have to live in the past I guess.....lol. Still good runs for an automatic!!
Andrew
edit: I think auto's are better for bracket racing, and then manuals are better for heads up.

Sephy

12-04-2005, 06:43 AM

That video looked like how it looks when you look at christmas lights and squint for a while.............and then shake your head side to side really hard........................
Hahahaha

Also, nice run. I hate Vipers. And I used to have an F-Body. :)

JakeSpeed

12-04-2005, 07:53 AM

last time a checked, top fuel and funny cars still ran manual trannies

To a point. Basically its a clutchless dogbox, although they use a clutch for the launch only, this is done by using straight cut gears which allow you to shift at high RPMs with little to no throttle lift. Some are shifted automatically, some using a button, while others have linkages. It can be considered an auto but its not, auto's dont have "physical gears", they use clutch packs and friction surfaces. A true auto tranny wouldnt hold up to the 2000+ HP the top fuel cars run. The clutch packs wouldnt be able to grip enough to lay the power down to the ground so in return they have to use gears in order to hold. Whether you want to argue if they are a manual or auto because of the way they are shifted is up to you but the actual tranny is a manual gearbox.

A lot of autos like the powerglide can put down some impressive power but the only way to go is straight cut gears! If you cant shift it, whats the point in driving it? Where is the skill? Any monkey can put it in drive and press the gas pedal. DuH!~ :whatever:

llegos - I'm sure you knew this, I posted it for those who "think" pro dragsters run auto transmissions.

Sephy

12-04-2005, 08:17 AM

You mean manual > auto? No way!!!

harharhar :)

dkbmxer002

12-04-2005, 08:31 AM

To a point. Basically its a clutchless dogbox, although they use a clutch for the launch only, this is done by using straight cut gears which allow you to shift at high RPMs with little to no throttle lift. Some are shifted automatically, some using a button, while others have linkages. It can be considered an auto but its not, auto's dont have "physical gears", they use clutch packs and friction surfaces. A true auto tranny wouldnt hold up to the 2000+ HP the top fuel cars run. The clutch packs wouldnt be able to grip enough to lay the power down to the ground so in return they have to use gears in order to hold. Whether you want to argue if they are a manual or auto because of the way they are shifted is up to you but the actual tranny is a manual gearbox.

A lot of autos like the powerglide can put down some impressive power but the only way to go is straight cut gears! If you cant shift it, whats the point in driving it? Where is the skill? Any monkey can put it in drive and press the gas pedal. DuH!~ :whatever:

llegos - I'm sure you knew this, I posted it for those who "think" pro dragsters run auto transmissions.

i wouldnt consider them a complete manual either. but manual isnt "always better" like some say. i would love to see anyone good driver or not try shifting a t56 tranny when you are running 7's or 8's or even 9's. it can be tricky as fuck. most people when they reach that speed put in autos.

i personally would have taken a 6 speed or auto. it didnt matter to me. i love them both for differant reasons. but to say that i would run better if i had a manual is pretty ignorant. they both have their plus's, a 6 speed fbody almost always will trap a little higher mph but wont usually get as good of a 60 foot. autos are able to 60 foot alot better (auto's also dont blow rear ends in fbodys as much) but dont trap as high a mph

llegos

12-04-2005, 01:09 PM

yea. Autos are good for dragging and traffic, but manuals are just fun to play around with and stuff.

slimBoost

12-04-2005, 01:41 PM

JakeSpeed

12-04-2005, 07:16 PM

i wouldnt consider them a complete manual either. but manual isnt "always better" like some say. i would love to see anyone good driver or not try shifting a t56 tranny when you are running 7's or 8's or even 9's. it can be tricky as fuck. most people when they reach that speed put in autos.

i personally would have taken a 6 speed or auto. it didnt matter to me. i love them both for differant reasons. but to say that i would run better if i had a manual is pretty ignorant. they both have their plus's, a 6 speed fbody almost always will trap a little higher mph but wont usually get as good of a 60 foot. autos are able to 60 foot alot better (auto's also dont blow rear ends in fbodys as much) but dont trap as high a mph

When you get into high powered cars, auto transmissions are obsolete. They might use auto shifting but its still a manual gearbox. I never said anyone would have run better if they use a manual transmission, I agree, that would be ignorant! There are guys running AWD Eclipses/Talons that have the stock auto tranny in their car laying down 1.3-1.5 60 foots and are running consistant 10's! Just fucking insane! But thats where it stops. No one really makes any upgrades for them. There is one place I know of and thats IPT but I have yet to see one prove itself. I have thought many times about switching over but when you look at most of the quicker guys they are using 4/5spd dog boxes with straight cut gears. There might be nice auto setups for the widely marketed V8s out there like the powerglide. I really like that tranny but if say I wanted a nice setup, I would have to turn my motor, make custom motor mounts, make an adapter for a powerglide, custom fabricate in a ford 9" rear end, and get a driveshaft made. Doesnt that sound like a bitch! I love my AWD and the only way that people have been getting anywhere with them is with manual trannys. Sure it might work better on some cars than other but this has been argue to death about which one is better. Some might say I should buy a V8. Screw that, I am content with my I4. I'm not complaining at all. There are very few V8s in my town that can keep up with me. Plus with a V8 there is twice as much to upgrade. I like the fact that my car is lighter, makes the same or more power than most V8s and everyone thinks that it's slow as hell. You like your V8s, I'll stick with I4's, whether there is a good racing market for them or not.

I know a few people that have run 8 seconds or faster. 2 of them are John Shepherd and Brent Rau. Both use manual gear boxes. Brent Rau use to live in Minnesota, I knew him back before he went pro and use to run his AWD Eclipse at a local track known as Rockfalls Raceway. John Shepherd makes his own tranny and still uses AWD. He is the fastest AWD 4cly in the nation that is still street legal. 7.97 @ 179mph and using a Manual dogbox. Both these guys run 4cly's. Finding an auto that would hold the power they make and put it to the ground without spending an ass load of money is impossible.

I'm not trying to cause a shit storm here, just laying down some facts. The market for an auto in anything but a V8 is unheard of. There just isnt any parts or proof out there that can hold its own. V8s are not the only drag cars out there anymore. Plenty of V6's, I6's, and I4's have entered the scene since that gay ass F&TF movie came out. Everyone wants to be Dom Torretto or Brian Spilner. Therefor our market includes body kits, neon lights, stereos and BOV speakers so the decent guys that actually make something out of their car have no choice but it run a manual tranny.

So take that as you wish. I'm not here to argue like stated before. This has been argued to death and it goes nowhere quick. Basically they have the same amount of pros and cons to make it a tie. They are both good and bad just in different ways.

In regards to the auto trapping lower but getting a better 60' than a 6 spd that is correct. Auto's shift 10x faster than a human shifting a 6 spd. Its hard to beat a computer. Also, some auto's tend to have lower redlines and shift points than manual transmissions have allowing them to get down the track in the same amount of time but still running a slower trap. Plus autos usually have 3 speeds and an overdrive which is rarely used in racing. So in return, running a manual you would need to shift that extra time or 2 depending how fast you are running.

On that note... I conclude this novel with my OPINION. Manual > Auto :rock: Yep, autos are decent drag setups for certain vehicles but when talking about the racing scene as a whole, autos are out of the picture!

I'm out.

Jake

510

12-04-2005, 07:32 PM

+ rep for useful imput..........someday I'll have a fast 4cyl..............

dkbmxer002

12-04-2005, 09:54 PM

So take that as you wish. I'm not here to argue like stated before. This has been argued to death and it goes nowhere quick. Basically they have the same amount of pros and cons to make it a tie. They are both good and bad just in different ways.

exactly

s10mafia50

12-06-2005, 12:30 AM

+ rep for useful imput..........someday I'll have a fast 4cyl..............
same here, and I meant I'd prefer it, I have always seen manuals in heads up cars, and autos in the bracket cars, I'm not saying that autos are bad, I am just saying that in my case, therefore I was ignorant, the manual makes almost a half second swing in teh s10. Therefore i asked if it would make the car any quicker. I agree on the 7-9 second cars and the 6sp. That would be a bitch, but I feel like it would be able to get used to. The fastest Ls1 I have seen in person was running high 9's with a 6sp, so I thought I'd ask. I also know the wonders of the gm 4sp at, they are remarkable, even though the true gem, is the new Mustangs 5sp AT which was developed in the lincoln Ls and jaguar(I believe). I still see benifits of the AT in bracket, but I also believe in the manual trans in the fullest, because I am prejudiced against auto's anyways!!!!hehehehehehe
Andrew